Napster offers to settle for $1 Beeelion Dollars! (page 2)
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STILL Guru Posts: 336 |
posted 02-23-2001 03:53 AM
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pitchfork - the problem I have with Kenny is not with what he says, it's the way he interacts.........he's entitled to have whatever opinion he wants. I have not changed anything I said, anyone wants to know why I'm mad, go read it and the replies.......btw , I never said Napster or something like it won't take over. Kenny - nice try, but you don't interest me any more.... Dusty - I was born and raised in Alaska...... Acknowledging a truth about the WAY a group of students percieve the thing, and my feelings about it - don't automatically mean that I don't understand the situation at hand. Stephen - I'm surprised, do you think my brain just fell out of my head or what? I don't get pissed for nothing... At any rate, for the last while I hardly ever post anywhere, and that decision has served me well, and arguing with drama queens won't change anything. This posting on these boards is ultimately useless and silly - I'm going back to what I've been doing lately, it's much more productive...... WB ------------------ IP: Logged |
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notesleb Guru Posts: 539 |
posted 02-23-2001 11:53 AM
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quote: No Wade, I'm actually a bit surprised at you. I couldn't find where Kenny directed anything at you early in this thread. KL did point out Dusty and Rene's obvious anger over the File Sharing phenomenom, you seemed to take his comments as though he was saying you were pissed (or hate filled), I didn't read it that way and really don't think he meant it that way. Your later replies in this thread (from my pov) seemed to be intended to hurt Kenny, of course, you're not stupid and know it takes a lot more than that to hurt a confident guy like him. You started to appear hate-filled These "discussions" may indeed be of little value, I see it as a think tank of sorts, sometimes things are said that are truly a waste of my reading time but often I read things that give me a clearer idea of what I want or don't want to be doing. It doesn't matter really, I take it all very lightly, I find it all rather entertaining sometimes. Kenny Lee has a way with words (perhaps not your style) that genuinely makes me laugh. In the past we've agreed laughter is important, maybe more important than who's right or wrong? You should know I have tons of respect for you Wade, I don't drive to Pasadena to see just anybody. I hope we're still cool. P.S. [This message has been edited by notesleb (edited 02-23-2001).] IP: Logged |
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KennyLee Guru Posts: 1522 |
posted 02-23-2001 02:19 PM
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quote: Thanks, stephen. Although you do make sound like Jeff Foxworthy. I was doing Lenny Bruce, man. Which is kinda hard without the heroin addiction. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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pitchfork Guru Posts: 131 |
posted 02-23-2001 03:45 PM
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I must say I agree with stephen 100% ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Moses Guru Posts: 532 |
posted 02-26-2001 05:52 PM
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Why is it frequently assumed that Napster is used mostly by penniless college students? I'm certainly not going to claim that I know the real statistics and demographic profile of the "typical" Napster user, but I can speak for my own experience. When music started to become available to me to listen to first before I bought (for me) when the local Block Buster Music stores would let you listen to anything in the store first before you agreed to buy it at their often inflated prices (15.99 to 21.99). This was a real bad thing for my pocket book because I often walked out of that store with at least two or three CDs. Before that, I would rarely even go into a record store and buy anything because I got tired of buying albums that I really didn't like. Then along comes Amazon.com. They had little snippets of RealAudio (yuk) samples I could listen to before I bought. So, I started spending between 65.00 and 200.00 dollars a month at Amazon. While being able to hear only small fractions of the tracks on a CD, I still ran into some selections that if I had heard the whole thing, I probably wouldn't have bought it. So I began to investigate this new technology I had read about - "MP3." I read that the quality was much better than those "RealAudio" clips and wondered why Amazon didn't use MP3 instead. So I went to search for it on the Web. Along came MP3.com. Hmmm, here's a Site offering full length tracks to download and listen as long or as many times as I wanted? But Oh No! They only have artists no one has ever heard of before. OK, I thought I would browse through some of the music to see if any of it was any good. Just about the time I was ready to give up after listening to a dozen or so tracks, I ran across a track I really liked! Investigating the rest of the tracks by this artist led me to a whole bunch of music that was great! Wow! Here's an artist that I and probably most of the real world had never heard of who is making this quality music! And it was all available for free! I started to wonder what he was doing giving away all his music and what the motivation was to create all these wonderful tracks without any kind of compensation. Looking closer at the artist's page, I see that he was selling CDs through this new site MP.com. I thought, great! He must make something through selling these on line. I went ahead and bought every CD he had. I also thought it was very unique that I was able to communicate with this artist via email. I found that he was also selling a CD direct and thought yes, I'll buy that one too. He probably makes more money than from those that he sold via MP3.com. So I e-mailed him with complements for his music and asked to buy everything he had. It turned out he had like 3 or 4 CDs which he promptly sent in the mail to me. In the time that it took for them to arrive in the mail, I knew he didn't have time to get my check yet, so this guy sent them to me on my word that I would pay him for them. How cool! So I continued to search the charts for any other music that might be worth listening to. I heard a lot of works I couldn't appreciate and a few that were OK. From the ones I did like, over the next 8 months I bought about 85 DAM CDs and numerous CDs directly from the Indie artists themselves. Then along comes Napster. I first tried Napster to download a few tracks I was reminded of that even if I did try probably wouldn't be able to find in any store. Then I started using it to preview whole CDs that I would find on Amazon.com. If I found one of Amazon's recommendations that sounded interesting, I would switch over to my Napster window and do a quick search for the music. If I liked it, I would sometimes listen to the whole thing all the way through over the course of several days. If it was something I knew I could repeatedly listen to for the long term, I would then start a search for the best price from the numerous online sources and then buy the CD(s). I haven't kept track, but I can estimate that there has been at least 100 CDs I have bought this way. So I guess the point of this lengthy post is: Would I have bought them if it weren't for being able to listen to them first? Not nearly that many! Maybe a half dozen. It was the ability to listen to how much I wanted, when I wanted, that sold me. So if Napster goes the way of the Dodo bird, then I guess I'll be buying a lot less CDs. Maybe that's a blessing (for my wallet) in disguise. I know there are probably plenty of leaches out there that will download music they like with no intention of ever buying it. Those people exist and you can't eliminate them. The truth of it though is they probably would never have bought the music even without Napster. The people that are really in the market for music are the ones going to Napster and then the online and brick and mortar music outlets to buy their CDs. So how has this hurt the record industry? It hasn't the way I see it. How is this hurting the artist? Maybe the naysayers are looking at the wrong party for blame. It's the major labels that have been hurting the artists for years, and I suspect will continue doing so for millennia. Are the listeners getting hurt? They will if Napster is shut down. If that doesn't make your heart bleed, then maybe you should find another product to sell. Because it's the listeners who are ultimately going to buy the bread on the table or buy that new piece of equipment you've been wanting - not the major labels. That is if your in this to make a living. I mean If I was in the shoes of an artist, I wouldn't care about the pettiness of going through a few listeners that were never going to buy my music anyway, if I had the ability to reach the vast pool of listeners who have money and will buy good quality music. Instead of jumping on the major label's band wagon, why aren't independent artists looking for a way to develop this technology into something that will work for them. It's obviously not going to be the majors helping you. Why aren't you taking advantage of the ID3 Tag in the MP3 file and leaving a URL where your music can be bought? Put your music in folders named after popular artists you may sound like? Or name the file "Like Vangelis" or "Like Peter Frampton" or whatever? Use it as a marketing tool. Believe me, there are quite a few listeners out there who have money and want to buy music. Sitting back and whining that someone is hearing your music that hasn't paid for it isn't going to advance the cause of the independent artist. See it as an opportunity. Be creative. I guess I've said too much already. By the way, Hi everybody. I haven't been around here in a long time! ------------------ IP: Logged |
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