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#1 Tom Aragon
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posted 05-31-2000 11:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tom Aragon   Click Here to Email Tom Aragon     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
TODAYS HISTORY LESSON

THE FINGER

Isn't history more fun when you know something about it?


GIVING THE FINGER

Before the Battle of Agincourt in 1415, the French, anticipating victory over the English, proposed to cut off the middle finger of all
captured English soldiers. Without the middle finger it would be impossible to draw the renowned English longbow and therefore be incapable of fighting in the future.

This famous weapon was made of the native English Yew tree, and the act of drawing the longbow was known as "plucking the yew" (or "pluck yew").

Much to the bewilderment of the French, the English won a major upset and began mocking the French by waving their middle fingers at the defeated French, saying, "See, we can still pluck yew! "PLUCK YEW!"

Since 'pluck yew' is rather difficult to say, the difficult consonant cluster at the beginning has gradually changed to a labiodental fricative 'F', and thus the words often used in conjunction with the
one-finger-salute are mistakenly thought to have something to do with an intimate encounter.

It is also because of the pheasant feathers on the arrows used with the longbow that the symbolic gesture is known as "giving the bird".

And yew thought yew knew everything

Tom


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#2 MAGriff
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posted 05-31-2000 11:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MAGriff   Click Here to Email MAGriff     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
well - I'm all of a sudden in a medieval spirit tonight

PLUCK YEW!!!

(j/k)

M-A

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#3 Steve Sklar
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posted 06-01-2000 12:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Steve Sklar   Click Here to Email Steve Sklar     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Heh, gotta love those "labiodental fricative 'F's, Tom. Good one.

Steve

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#4 KennyLee
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posted 06-01-2000 12:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KennyLee   Click Here to Email KennyLee     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Aw, yew just made all that up.


Battle of Agincourt Veteran


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#5 weAponX
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posted 06-01-2000 01:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for weAponX   Click Here to Email weAponX     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
How could they have flipped em off when they had all thier middle fingers removed?

Here let me wag this STUMP at you!

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#6 tim
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posted 06-01-2000 01:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for tim   Click Here to Email tim     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
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Without the middle finger it would be impossible to draw the renowned English longbow and therefore be incapable of fighting in the future.

I dispute this claim. With vigorous training, a ring or index finger could be used.

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#7 notesleb
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posted 06-01-2000 02:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for notesleb   Click Here to Email notesleb     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
F - Fornication
U - Under
C - Command
of the
K - King

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#8 Galbatron
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posted 06-01-2000 02:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Galbatron   Click Here to Email Galbatron     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
The above is not entirely true. English 'To F*ck" comes from Dutch "Fokken", which means "To Breed". This is true, you can look it up in all dictionaries.

I do have a funny anecdote though: I remember a Dutch friend of mine telling his acquaintance from Swiss that he breeded dogs. He said:

I fok dogs.

That acquaintance never came back.

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#9 pitchfork
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posted 06-01-2000 02:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for pitchfork   Click Here to Email pitchfork     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
I was thinking the same thing, but none of my dictionaries have "fuck" in them...and one is the Websters Third New International Dictionary...it's a BEAST!

what the pluck?

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#10 Andrew Hickey
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posted 06-01-2000 03:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Andrew Hickey     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
As a matter of fact he's half right. 'Fuck' does of course come from the same root as 'fokken' , but the thing about removing fingers is true - except that it was two fingers removed rather than one (which is why people in the UK stick two fingers up at someone rather than one - or did until US cultural influence became so great...)

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#11 deel
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posted 06-01-2000 07:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for deel   Click Here to Email deel     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
i'm a bit of an oldtimer..popping the bird usually dosen't do the trick for me..

when i really want to make a statement, i just pull out my long bow and pop an arrow in ye arse!


deel

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#12 Sterling30
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posted 06-01-2000 07:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sterling30   Click Here to Email Sterling30     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Tom,

Actually, giving the middle finger actually dates back to the Roman Empire, and possible much earlier than that era...

How do I know??? (I watch The History Channel")

Gregg

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#13 weAponX
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posted 06-01-2000 11:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for weAponX   Click Here to Email weAponX     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Andrew- So THAT's where that "up yers" gesture came from-

But I don't understand it, Ric Mayall in The Young Ones used to cross his arms while making the gesture with both hands- is that a "double-up-yer-bum"?

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