Do you people want non-artists "Listeners" on this board?
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Moses Guru Posts: 527 |
posted 05-12-2000 08:05 PM
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Just curious. Or, would you rather have this as an "Artist Only" area? ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Holy Zoo Guru Posts: 560 |
posted 05-12-2000 08:17 PM
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I like your presence here, moses. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Ric Guru Posts: 234 |
posted 05-12-2000 08:21 PM
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I think that's th whole idea. To get beyond the contempory back scratching no? Or is this all there is? "Any chord progression sufficiently advanced is indistinguishable from magic." ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Anne Guru Posts: 429 |
posted 05-12-2000 09:03 PM
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I think it's great to have listeners on the site. After all, it's all about the music isn't it? ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Banker Newbie Posts: 96 |
posted 05-12-2000 09:29 PM
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There are some who will disagree. Not me of course since I am a listener. http://stations.mp3s.com/stations/42/bankers_lady_blue.html http://stations.mp3s.com/stations/5/bankers_buys_radio.html http://stations.mp3s.com/stations/33/bankers_featured_artists.html http://stations.mp3s.com/stations/15/a_flash_forward.html ------------------ IP: Logged |
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SteveHaugh Guru Posts: 639 |
posted 05-12-2000 09:30 PM
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most of all, i like your long white flowing robes. you have an astonishing sense of dress. stay. IP: Logged |
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PFmgmt Guru Posts: 1132 |
posted 05-12-2000 09:53 PM
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Listeners? Hell no! I don't want anyone listening to my music. They might like it and become fans and bug me. Moses, you can hang out with us but one thing: Drop the "you people" phrase. K? ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Ric Guru Posts: 234 |
posted 05-12-2000 10:28 PM
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yeah!!! Yooz guyz is much betterer.  ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Saint Cheez Guru Posts: 244 |
posted 05-12-2000 10:32 PM
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Of course, Moses, you are the best.  You really appreciate the artists, even though many of them do not appreciate themselves. As we say in the west, keep on plugging. Your pal, St. Cheez ------------------ IP: Logged |
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RagtimeLady Newbie Posts: 88 |
posted 05-12-2000 11:29 PM
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How 'bout friends from ... you know ... that other music site who haven't posted music here? Anyone mind havin' the ol' RagtimeLady around? I don't want to butt in or anything... RTL ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Davey Boy Crocky Guru Posts: 251 |
posted 05-13-2000 02:00 AM
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Moses - I completely welcome you or anyone else to actively participate here. It is a pleasure to have you. I think it is important to recognize that many folks come to this board for different reasons. Some want to promote themselves or others, some want to chat and joke and be friendly, some want to talk shop, some want to organize efforts of one type or another. Every so often I see folks who do not approve of other's conversations make claims that those conversations are not appropriate on this board. I disagree. I think everyone should be welcome to discuss whatever is on their mind. If we can all try to be a little more tolerant of each other and our varied reasons for being here, I think it is possible to have a very diverse yet peaceful community. P.S. - Ragtime Lady, you need to get your stuff uploaded here, pronto. Because I said so - DBC ------------------ Davey Boy Crocky's Solo Project IP: Logged |
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Banker Newbie Posts: 96 |
posted 05-13-2000 02:20 AM
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I would think the RagtimeLady would be welcome anywhere. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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SynIll Newbie Posts: 67 |
posted 05-13-2000 06:15 AM
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They should have a listeners only board where the artist can post. [This message has been edited by SynIll (edited 05-13-2000).] IP: Logged |
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PLX18O Guru Posts: 128 |
posted 05-13-2000 06:29 AM
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Moses If you want to stay, then STAY!!!! If you want to be an ambient obsessive, then BE ONE!!!! (whisper) but stop carpet bombing the board Goodbye ------------------ IP: Logged |
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JahNericMC Guru Posts: 288 |
posted 05-13-2000 10:57 AM
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Listeners are the whole reason we do this. I wish more listeners would take such an active role Moses. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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The Stereo Logic Guru Posts: 126 |
posted 05-13-2000 11:09 AM
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I think a setup like they have at musicbuilder.com would work. One bb the is just for artists and is passworded to keep things that way and one bb that general for artists and fans. Otherwise, just leave it the same. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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RagtimeLady Newbie Posts: 88 |
posted 05-13-2000 06:54 PM
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Hey! Thanks for the kind words, fellas! Okay, I'll stick around. Davey, maybe you can tell me why I should put our music up here... but that's another topic, so I'll start that in another thread. Thanks for the thumbs up... and Banker, YOU'D be welcome anywhere, too! That's fer sure... RTL IP: Logged |
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Moses Guru Posts: 527 |
posted 05-13-2000 07:24 PM
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OK, so everyone sounds as though they like the thought of listeners being on this board. That being a fact, they may I ask why more people don't reply to the listener threads? Namely the ones where I try to promote artists? Just curious? ------------------ IP: Logged |
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SynIll Newbie Posts: 67 |
posted 05-14-2000 06:12 AM
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I read them but I don't necessarily reply to them because most of the time, you are talking about new age ambient type of music which is not my cup of tea. So I wouldn't have anything useful to post anyway. IP: Logged |
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Davey Boy Crocky Guru Posts: 251 |
posted 05-14-2000 06:46 AM
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I don't post on threads that don't interest me. That doesn't mean I want the thread posters to go away. BassDude has a thread about coffee that is huge. I don't drink coffee so I don't post there, either. ------------------ Davey Boy Crocky's Solo Project IP: Logged |
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sins tailor Guru Posts: 689 |
posted 05-14-2000 09:47 AM
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right now there isn't a lot of promo going on you don't see the download me..review me type of threads you see at mp3.com.....mainly because it's still in beta and the artists right now are mainly concentrating on building the site correctly.......you will see threads about the contract,the features,ideas and suggestions...and maybe even a heated debate over the implementing of certain features....heaven knows it got funky over the "inferno" thing and these are mainly artists concerns.....so most activity now is centered on building the site.......not much promo yet.....after it comes out of beta and is ready for public viewing i'm sure we'll see a lot more of that........also having listeners here is fine for now....but one day it could be a drag if listeners concerns obliterate the posts of artists concerns...then i think it would be best to have separate boards......because some things are just very important to the welfare of the site........and others are more for promo and entertainment.........things will probably change radically if this place gets thousands and thousands of artists added.... moses did you ever build a station at mp3.com ????seems that would be an excellent way to IP: Logged |
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Moses Guru Posts: 527 |
posted 05-14-2000 11:07 AM
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sins tailor Yes I have several Stations: A Burning Bush - Ambient Dark ------------------ IP: Logged |
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sins tailor Guru Posts: 689 |
posted 05-14-2000 03:09 PM
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cool i just posted to your tangerine dream thread........ IP: Logged |
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Andrew Hickey Guru Posts: 412 |
posted 05-15-2000 09:10 AM
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Moses, the reason I don't post on those threads is that I tend only to post in threads discussing the business side of things - I know which artists I like and dislike, but it's far more important that outside listeners like yourself post your approval for them than that fellow artists like me do so. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Banker Newbie Posts: 96 |
posted 05-15-2000 02:11 PM
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Artists, get your listeners to post on some of the genre threads, and post there yourselves as well. Encourage reviews and interaction. The more Any time I see a listener posting I at least ------------------ IP: Logged |
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KennyLee Guru Posts: 1249 |
posted 05-15-2000 03:36 PM
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Well, Moses, there are exceptions to every rule. You, sir, are the exception. But to me, the AABB is kinda like backstage. Kenny Lee does let SOME people come backstage, generally female. Like I said there are exceptions. Every once in a while a guy, not in the band but supportive of the music, will get to come backstage. A guy like you Moses. Don't mess with our women, Moses. Bring an extra one for Kenny Lee if you can. Oh, yeah, I don't drink beer. Straight tequila. No drugs, either. I don't care what the drummer says. ------------------ [This message has been edited by KennyLee (edited 05-15-2000).] IP: Logged |
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Moses Guru Posts: 527 |
posted 05-16-2000 01:01 AM
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quote: I've tried to get many listeners involved with finding new and interesting music on the internet. Granted up until this point that's all been MP3.com. I've been testing the waters here now since March, and it doesn't really seem like the artists have the kind of enthusiasm to keep the listener's attention. Many people who I've referred to MP3.com are people who are willing to read the boards, but not become an active participant in posting. So they come here and see the artists (or many of them) are really not responding to listener interaction (this thread being an exception). So, when I tell them that they can find new talent by promoting those artists they find to their liking, they expect that other artists with similar tastes and therefore possibly similar music will strike up an interaction or exchange with the listener just as I tell them. Unfortunately, the reality makes me look like I have it all wrong. Now I realize that there are not as many artists active here in the early stages of development of this site, and a certain faction of the participants are more interested in discussing the shortcomings of other OMDs or maybe even this one. I grant you that to you or some of you that subject is critically important. Let me tell you though, it is at the expense of generating the kind of environment that is listener friendly. Believe me when I tell you that it is not inviting to someone who visits here to see all the benefits of Indie artist interaction. Some people have come back to me to say they were not impressed with the possibility of striking up any kind of relationship or exchange after what they have seen on the boards. So what does that leave me (who is the exception to all of this) but to give up due to the seemingly lack of interest in developing the Indie artist relationship with listeners? Please don't misunderstand my intentions. I am not posting these thoughts as a complaint, rant, or whining. It's just how I see it (or don't see it) that I even offer these thoughts. You may choose to believe it or not, I have better things to do with my time than to spend it somewhere where the fruits of my interests will go unrealized. Maybe I'm not making any sense. I've tried to explain this principle before and only a small percentage of ears seem to hear what I'm saying. So maybe it's the messenger who is inadequate in this case. At any rate, I've spoken my thoughts. Take it as you wish. Sincerely, Moses ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Banker Newbie Posts: 96 |
posted 05-16-2000 01:59 AM
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Is never really gonna work unless the artists want it to. Posts like Kenny L's can turn off listeners very quick, even if he is being facetious, which I am not sure he is. There is only a backstage area to these BB's Shaky Tee, Jack Falk, Matt Thorpe, Grimmbaby, ------------------ IP: Logged |
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KennyLee Guru Posts: 1249 |
posted 05-16-2000 03:36 AM
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quote: Tongue in cheek, Banker. But the point is the same. Artist's board should generally be for artists, with limited exceptions. No disrespect to the listeners, just pointing out that this is the way it's done. When you go to the restaurant, they don't let you go in the kitchen. You sit at the table with the other customers. People are working in the kitchen, preparing your order. And the kitchen on mp3.com is so messy at times that people may not want to eat there at all if we let them in. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Banker Newbie Posts: 96 |
posted 05-16-2000 10:18 AM
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When I go to a restaurant they bring the menu and food out to me, they don't make me go into the kitchen and get it. These BB's are about music, and listeners I haven't been to a music site yet that If a tree falls in the forest and no one I have also not been to an indie site that There are a number of artists that feel the Should listeners be given carte blanche? There are not too many listeners that Here's my scroll on the artist flamers... Let me know how you want to proceed. It is ------------------ IP: Logged |
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KennyLee Guru Posts: 1249 |
posted 05-16-2000 02:44 PM
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quote: Lately, Banker, the flamers both here and at mp3.com are anonymous. I participate in the "news" section at mp3.com and yesterday I got called a fag and a dickhead by "anonymous". Other people called "anonymous" posted that they agreed with me on my posting however. They were ALL called anonymous. Recently a post from "anonymous" flamed me for posting my url with my posts. I replied that one of the reasons I did that was so people would know I was not "anonymous". Are these "anonymous" authors artists or listeners or employees or Govt. agents? I don't know. Anyhow, as far as marketing your music goes, some artists are real close to their listeners and some want to stay distant. The OMD website is different. As a general rule they should keep the artists area for artists only. There are some exceptions to this, I'm sure. There are plenty of opportunities for artists to interact with their listeners at both the sites we are discussing. If the artists choose not to interact with the listeners it may be hurting their career, as you suggest, but that should be the artists choice. Not the websites. If the artists have a choice, that is. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Llarion Newbie Posts: 29 |
posted 05-16-2000 10:13 PM
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quote: If you don't post here, I'll arrange to have garbage DELIVERD to your house. Of course you're welcome!!! ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Llarion Newbie Posts: 29 |
posted 05-16-2000 10:18 PM
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quote: I try to reply to as many of them as I possibly can. But, I'm really busy trying to promote myself as well as the others I like, while you can focus on your discoveries. That may be it for others, I dunno... Anyway, you always seem to have a golden ear, so keep em coming! Cheers, ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Banker Newbie Posts: 96 |
posted 05-16-2000 11:11 PM
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Kenny, no one else seems to want to get involved in the conversation between you and I. Besides, I can't tell if you are ignoring me or agreeing with me. You are right about one thing. This is the I will respect that. Cheers. Make More! ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Davey Boy Crocky Guru Posts: 251 |
posted 05-16-2000 11:53 PM
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I think that clearly there is a need for a place where artists can talk to each other about issues that concern them. Clearly there is a need for a place for Artists to interact with Listeners. It is now clear to me that the two places must be seperate. One conflicts with the other. I am not sure what to do about it. ------------------ Davey Boy Crocky's Solo Project IP: Logged |
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Moses Guru Posts: 527 |
posted 05-18-2000 09:41 PM
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quote: As soon as it is separated, then it will discourage listeners from posting and being active members of the "artist" community. I believe that if it is separated, the artists will undoubtedly post mainly to the "artist only" area. I have been posting to, and have been a member of the Electronic BB at MP3c for a year now, and have enjoyed the opportunity of interacting with the artists. There are other listeners who also post there and I'm sure many more who just "read" the posts. If that relationship were terminated, there would be a fewer number of listeners who would become active members. I can understand that many artists would like an "Artist Only" area to discuss "Artist Only" issues, but as soon as that happens, most of the artists would neglect the "artist - listener" area. I know many people have pointed out that I am the exception to the "Listeners" participating in an interactive way with the artists, but I firmly believe that there are many listeners that "lurk" and do nothing but read the posts. Several; of them are people I referred to "Artist" boards. So all I'm saying, is be careful what you ask for. It might have an outcome that you may not necessarily desire. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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