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TentilEight Guru Posts: 252 |
posted 03-23-2000 11:01 AM
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Are any of you on that site? How are you doing with reviews? We seem to get one review every couple weeks. Does anyone know how they decide when a band/artists gets reviewed? ------------------ IP: Logged |
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weAponX Guru Posts: 1842 |
posted 03-23-2000 11:18 AM
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The reviews come up randomly in their review process. Some stuff does seem to come up more than once, I reviewed the same song twice in once session, gave it a 5 then gave it a 4. Fickle me, hehe. I was wondering why the damn thing sounded so familar! ------------------ Social Spit! IP: Logged |
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TentilEight Guru Posts: 252 |
posted 03-23-2000 11:25 AM
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The same thing happened to me (duplicate review in one session). According to the document on the front page we are supposed to get reviewed 'thousands' of times. I took a look for some people and noticed that all I saw was a handful of reviews. I also noticed that the famous 'Fisher' is at the top for this month. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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weAponX Guru Posts: 1842 |
posted 03-23-2000 11:36 AM
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Maybe that is why Nate wants to pull FoN off that site- He said there was something "Fishery" going on there. IP: Logged |
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TentilEight Guru Posts: 252 |
posted 03-23-2000 11:41 AM
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heh heh 'Fishery' LOL! ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Robert Guru Posts: 366 |
posted 03-23-2000 11:41 AM
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I've done several reviews, but only received 5 for my own song - which has been there for over 6 months! Some reviews were very positive, others were downright pathetic. I have recently learned that some artists have been "slamming" other artists by voting down their music. Garageband could be an example of that - as is Riffage. The fact that "Fisher" is all of a sudden in the top spot only makes me more suspicious than I was before. And I mean no disprespect towards Fisher. It seems only certain songs end up in the rotation - lord knows why. I was reviewing the "pop/rock" section and ended up reviewing 2 Goth songs. What's up with that? Overall, I find the site useless. Unless you're lucky, chances are your song will drop like a lead ballon from lack of exposure alone. I am considering launching a new site that features objective reviews of the artist and not production tips and comments on how much compression to use on vocal tracks! If there's one thing that pisses me off, it's a "review" where the reviewer all of a sudden becomes a "producer" and says nothing about the song and only offers their tips on what ratio of compression to reverb you should use! If were all fortunate enough to record at the 128 track Hilversum Studio in Holland with a kick as engineer and producer, maybe I wouldn't care so much, but for the most part, a lot of us are recording on beer budgets in our home studios. ..sorry about the rant. ------------------ [This message has been edited by Robert (edited 03-23-2000).] IP: Logged |
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weAponX Guru Posts: 1842 |
posted 03-23-2000 11:47 AM
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Note, I HATE Smileys, and I'm using a Smiley on this post: Steve, check out the "top 25 stupidest songs of all time" at garbageband.com and look see who is #18! IP: Logged |
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TentilEight Guru Posts: 252 |
posted 03-23-2000 11:50 AM
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Yeah, I know what you mean Robert. I have nothing against Fisher either, she is talented and has a bright future ahead of her. It just seems like she has 'financial' backing that most of us don't and I'm not sure if that is what GarageBand.com is looking for. I mean one day I looked at all the mp3sites I have music on and she was simultaneously the featured artist on almost all of them. I think it's getting down to all of us need our own sites that just say we are great and winners of all the contests because none of them seem to be objective. If you get an objective review site going make sure you post the link over here. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Miguel Newbie Posts: 18 |
posted 03-23-2000 12:12 PM
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We've been there since January and have been reviewed once. whatswitdat? ------------------ IP: Logged |
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TentilEight Guru Posts: 252 |
posted 03-23-2000 12:33 PM
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Well, it's sad that we are all in the same boat but I am glad our band is not alone. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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BaptistDeathRay Guru Posts: 326 |
posted 03-23-2000 02:24 PM
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Well, now I'm depressed. I just signed on yesterday.  ------------------ IP: Logged |
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TentilEight Guru Posts: 252 |
posted 03-23-2000 02:25 PM
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Don't be depressed BDR just 'lower your expectations' (as the women in my life have always told me  )------------------ IP: Logged |
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Andrew Hickey Guru Posts: 337 |
posted 03-23-2000 02:58 PM
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Crap site on which you are entirely reliant on what other artists think of you and which won't remove your stuff when you ask. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Robert Guru Posts: 366 |
posted 03-23-2000 04:36 PM
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Jim, Of course I'll post it here. BDR, I tried to warn you in the chat last night, but the topics were changing too fast. Best of luck over there anyways. <giggles to self> ------------------ IP: Logged |
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TentilEight Guru Posts: 252 |
posted 03-23-2000 04:46 PM
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Robert Actually, The intent of this thread was just to get an idea of how others were doing or how they viewed their experiences with Garageband.com It wasn't intended as a 'slam' GB.com thread. I still hope to hear 'some' positive feedback about it but it doesn't look like any is amongst people here. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Robert Guru Posts: 366 |
posted 03-23-2000 08:13 PM
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Jim, Hopefully I answered your questions at the beginning of my original post. I really wish I had better things to say, but I haven't heard one good thing about GB. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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notesleb Guru Posts: 256 |
posted 03-23-2000 10:37 PM
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Yeah, everything doesn't seem right at Garageband, I reviewed the same band 3 times in one afternoon, I don't fully believe it's just a technical problem. BUT, it seems like a decent place to upload ONE song, I've received some pretty cool reviews and like the fact that it's another place where people who wouldn't normally find us, do. Peace, P.S. ------------------ [This message has been edited by notesleb (edited 03-23-2000).] IP: Logged |
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Robert Guru Posts: 366 |
posted 03-23-2000 11:33 PM
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Stephen, Glad to see GB is working for you. All the best with the MusicBuilder CD! I have one there too and they sound friggin' fantastic compared to the DAMs. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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TentilEight Guru Posts: 252 |
posted 03-24-2000 12:16 AM
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Well based on what you guys have said it just sounds like another web site for us to get exposure, what kind of exposure I am not sure. I guess to other artists. But that's cool to ------------------ IP: Logged |
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notesleb Guru Posts: 256 |
posted 03-24-2000 02:17 AM
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quote: True, I had a CD of our old stuff there for a while as a test and indeed the printing, packaging, sound and overall quality was far better than the DAMs. With our new CD I've encoded all the tracks at 320kb so there should be no discernable difference from the original wavs. . . at least none that I can hear ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Gabriel H Christ Newbie Posts: 78 |
posted 03-24-2000 02:17 AM
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Hi all, I've got 1 song at GB. Posted in december, received 7 reviews so far, 2 good, 3 bad, 2 indifferrent, top position in the 4000 range. My top of the head suspicion/hunch is that your band will get more review spots relative to how many reviews of other bands you do. Just a guess and probably wrong. Who knows. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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SaintH Newbie Posts: 4 |
posted 03-24-2000 10:31 AM
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It would seem that GB has upped their minimum from 5 to 10 pairs of reviewed songs per one upload as of Midnight last night. That alot of sexual favors, man I'm really tired! the Saint Dude www.listensmart.com/sainthenry ------------------ IP: Logged |
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TentilEight Guru Posts: 252 |
posted 03-25-2000 12:27 AM
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Gabriel, I have also suspected that there may be a connection to my reviews I give and the number of reviews I get. I think I will try an experiment soon to up my reviews and see if it helps. I will post if it does. SaintH, ------------------ [This message has been edited by TentilEight (edited 03-25-2000).] IP: Logged |
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Andrew Hickey Guru Posts: 337 |
posted 03-25-2000 01:58 AM
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Yeah, Musicbuilder are the one OMD that actually seem to give professional service. The CDs are far better than those on MP3C. Unfortunately they're low-traffic compared to some of the others, but if you use them for CD sales rather than some kind of popularity contest then they're the best site so far... ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Incorporated Guru Posts: 89 |
posted 03-25-2000 02:20 AM
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I don't think the number of reviews you give has anything to do with the number you receive. I've never noticed a correllation. That said, I really have no idea how that place works. I'll go weeks without a review, then one song will get 10 in 2 days. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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TentilEight Guru Posts: 252 |
posted 03-25-2000 02:45 AM
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There is another strange thing about GB I noticed. Have any of your reviews you have given other bands showed up as reviews for those bands? You might wanna check. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Incorporated Guru Posts: 89 |
posted 03-25-2000 02:49 AM
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I've checked a couple times, and they've shown up. The song pages only list the 5 most recent reviews, though. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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TentilEight Guru Posts: 252 |
posted 03-25-2000 03:07 AM
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And then there is this... I went from 30,000 reward points last week to 80,000 this week. But I haven't reviewed any more people? And there is more to my discovery!.... Damn! all those years of Systems Analysis are finally paying off! If only they would give me Sir George Martin's phone number! ------------------ IP: Logged |
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notesleb Guru Posts: 256 |
posted 03-25-2000 03:12 AM
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Hey Jim, You're almost a guru. Looks like you've been stuck at 49 posts this entire thread though, what's up wit dat? Hey my posts aren't increasing either, bug alert. ------------------ [This message has been edited by notesleb (edited 03-25-2000).] IP: Logged |
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TentilEight Guru Posts: 252 |
posted 03-25-2000 03:15 AM
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Well, Steve thanks for the Welcome!! *insta guru here i come* ------------------ IP: Logged |
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TentilEight Guru Posts: 252 |
posted 03-25-2000 03:17 AM
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hmmm... i feel all *tingly* ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Holy Zoo Guru Posts: 544 |
posted 03-25-2000 03:27 AM
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We have 10 songs up at GB. Some are doing well, others not. I've also sent several pieces of email to their support staff, and gotten answers to all my questions. Here's a summary" 1) Written reviews are optional, so just because you see 5 reviews doesn't mean that you haven't had 25 reviews total. Indeed, with our 10 songs, I've noticed that some songs seem to incite people to write something, while other more mainstream songs people don't bother writing anything, but it still keeps going up in the charts. 2) They purposely have you occasionally review the same song. This is to get an idea about the "want to hear again" question. And, indeed, I have to admit that sometimes on the second listen I give a better rating. It can be a leveler. 3) You start at the bottom, and move up. A good review will roughly move you up 500 points, a bad review the opposite. 4) Metal songs get alot more listens than Alternative and Rock songs. 5) I'm definitly sensing that other artists are purposely tanking reviews. Here's why I belive this: The songs that I feel are weaker are higher up in the ratings. The songs that we've had the most consistenly outstanding reviews on by real press and other artists and people we know are at the bottom. One song that people seem to always love has 5 bad ratings and one good. I just can't believe that everyone's hating it on GB, while everyone else we've ever talked to loves it. Indeed, the songs that's highest rated is definitly the weakest song we have up. Last, for about two weeks I carefully wrote down the positions of each of the ten songs every day, and watched as they went up, and noted when a written review happened too. This is how I came up with the up/down 500 at a time thing. Anyways, there have have it. My ramblings for the day. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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TentilEight Guru Posts: 252 |
posted 03-25-2000 03:32 AM
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quote: That doesn't explain Fisher, does it? ------------------ [This message has been edited by TentilEight (edited 03-25-2000).] IP: Logged |
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Incorporated Guru Posts: 89 |
posted 03-25-2000 03:44 AM
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Yeah, why the hell is she even there? Doesn't she already have a recording contract? ------------------ IP: Logged |
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TentilEight Guru Posts: 252 |
posted 03-25-2000 03:51 AM
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Inc, I said the same thing to myself... Maybe GB is just another promo place for artists. If you've got more money (or a record deal) You end up at the front of the line, as usual. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss! ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Incorporated Guru Posts: 89 |
posted 03-25-2000 04:03 AM
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I wouldn't doubt it, Jim. I dunno. I've been trying to figure the Fisher thing out for a week or two, it makes no sense. If the whole point of being at garageband.com is to compete for a $250,000 record contract, then why is she there? She just signed that big interscope/farmclub thing. Plus, what happens if she wins? She's at #3 right now. I have no idea. I also can't figure out why "Rock!" by His Purse has received 9 or 10 written reviews, all overwhelmingly positive, and is stuck at #4000 or so. I guess everyone who's not choosing to write a text review is giving us a "1." I noticed other songs jumping after good reviews just like Holy Zoo did, but this song hasn't budged an inch no matter how good the review is. Maybe we should all write letters to Sir George Martin saying "Hey, your Knighthood, what the fuck is up with that site you're associated with?" I'm sure he'd appreciate it. At least they've put in some safeguards against the rampant shit-slinging that was going on at first. It's a nicer place now, but they need to be more forthcoming about their system. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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TentilEight Guru Posts: 252 |
posted 03-25-2000 04:17 AM
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Yes, I think maybe Sir George would help us. I guess we shouldn't get too serious about it but I think Fisher getting that record deal really makes the GB contest for her inconsequential. Unless it's for promotional purposes Which if it is, doesn't put GB in a good light, IMHO.------------------ IP: Logged |
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SaintHenry Guru Posts: 134 |
posted 03-25-2000 09:37 PM
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Any one mention Sir George, here is his home page... maybe there is a link to leave messages, at least its worth a look. The Saint Dude - www.listensmart.com/sainthenry ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Holy Zoo Guru Posts: 544 |
posted 03-26-2000 12:18 AM
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quote: I should have been more clear. Metal songs get reviewed faster. They say that ever songs gets the exact same number of reviews in the end. My metal songs is headed towards that goal a lot faster than the alternative songs, being reviewed many more times than the other songs, even though they all went up at the same time. Anyways, since Fisher has just signed to a label (FarmClub), their participation is pretty much mute now, eh? ------------------ IP: Logged |
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TentilEight Guru Posts: 252 |
posted 03-26-2000 11:45 PM
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So what you are saying is the majority of reviewers choose to review 'metal', right? ------------------ IP: Logged |
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